
Code Switch
What's CODE SWITCH? It's the fearless conversations about race that you've been waiting for. Hosted by journalists of color, our podcast tackles the subject of race with empathy and humor. We explore how race affects every part of society — from politics and pop culture to history, food and everything in between. This podcast makes all of us part of the conversation — because we're all part of the story. Code Switch was named Apple Podcasts' first-ever Show of the Year in 2020.Want to level up your Code Switch game? Try Code Switch Plus. Your subscription supports the show and unlocks a sponsor-free feed. Learn more at plus.npr.org/codeswitch
Latest episodes

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Dec 20, 2024 • 18min
Luigi Mangione and America's pent up pain
Abane Clayton, a gun violence reporter for The Guardian, dives deep into the complexities surrounding the recent high-profile shooting involving Luigi Mangione. They discuss the starkly different public reactions and the emotional weight of gun violence in America. Clayton highlights systemic issues in healthcare that contribute to violence while addressing the societal disconnect and racial context in public perception. The conversation uncovers the duality of fear and empathy, calling for a serious reflection on how we view and respond to such tragedies.

Dec 18, 2024 • 35min
Freedom, Autonomy and the Elián González Story
In this riveting discussion, journalist Penny Leigh Ramirez, known for her deep dive into the Elián González story on the Chess Piece podcast, explores the heart-wrenching saga of a young boy caught in a geopolitical storm. She unpacks the intense custody battle, reflecting on themes of family separation and cultural identity. Ramirez highlights the emotional turmoil of Cuban and American families, along with the media frenzy that turned Elián’s fate into a national dialogue, exposing the complexities of love, autonomy, and cultural dissonance.

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Dec 11, 2024 • 37min
Dreaming of a Black Utopia in Trump's America
Aaron Robinson, author of "The Black Utopians," explores the intricate history of Black utopian communities in America, emphasizing their significance during political and racial upheaval. He discusses the rich narratives from the post-Reconstruction era to contemporary examples like Detroit, highlighting resilience in overlooked spaces. The conversation also delves into creating safe environments in response to systemic oppression and envisions a more equitable future for Black communities, all framed within personal stories and cultural reflections.

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Dec 7, 2024 • 17min
Where tradwives and leftists agree
Explore the chaotic realm of modern motherhood, where the pressures of momfluencers clash with the tradwife lifestyle. Discover the unsettling comparison of motherhood to a pyramid scheme, revealing the burdens of societal expectations. Delve into the challenges parents face balancing work and family roles, while considering diverse family structures beyond the nuclear model. Uncover the importance of building supportive communities to navigate parenting, emphasizing the collective resources needed for families to flourish.

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Dec 4, 2024 • 39min
Momfluencers, tradwives, and the perils of modern motherhood
Join Sarah Peterson, author of "Momfluenced," as she unpacks the fascinating worlds of momfluencers and tradwives. Discover how social media shapes motherhood perceptions, often obscuring harsh realities like the lack of paid leave. Sarah critiques romanticized motherhood narratives, particularly their impact on women of color. The conversation also tackles rising ideologies within parenting communities and the need for genuine support systems over superficial solutions. It's a thought-provoking dive into the complexities of modern motherhood.

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Nov 27, 2024 • 31min
The 'little r' racist idea that swung the election
Astead Herndon, a New York Times political correspondent and host of the Run-Up, dives into the implications of the latest election. He emphasizes a crucial divide not between parties, but between political elites and the public. The discussion highlights the disconnect between voter sentiments and political narratives, especially regarding representation and identity. Herndon also critiques the Democratic Party's strategy and explores how demographic shifts impact voter behavior, revealing the complexities of engagement in today's political landscape.

Nov 20, 2024 • 28min
When Pretendian investigations go wrong
Jacqueline Keeler, a Navajo journalist, and Kairos Old, a member of the Pamunkey Indian tribe, dive into the controversial issue of pretendianism—people falsely claiming Native heritage. They discuss the serious ramifications of mislabeling genuine Indigenous individuals and the emotional toll on those falsely accused. Their conversation unpacks the societal implications of identity fraud and the need for ethical investigative practices. The dialogue also touches on cultural appropriation and the ongoing struggles faced by those with mixed heritage.

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Nov 13, 2024 • 35min
The day Trump won...again
Election Day unfolds with a vibrant mix of perspectives. Green card-holding Trump supporters share their views, while first-time voters express hopes and fears. The legacy of Shirley Chisholm resonates as educators reflect on the emotional weight of elections. Amidst the tension in D.C., students celebrate at Howard University, showcasing their HBCU pride. Divided opinions on immigration surface within the Bangladeshi community, revealing deep personal struggles. As results roll in, a blend of optimism and despair permeates, highlighting the nation's complex political landscape.

Nov 6, 2024 • 24min
You can't outrun voters' feelings about the economy
Frank Ordonez, host of NPR's Politics Podcast and an expert on political campaigns, dives deep into the emotional undercurrents influencing voter opinions. He discusses how personal experiences shape perspectives, especially within communities like Arab Americans in Dearborn. The conversation highlights how feelings about economic stability directly impact electoral choices, while also analyzing the shifting Latino voting bloc. Ordonez sheds light on the Republican resurgence after Donald Trump's victory and the Democratic Party's struggles to connect with diverse voters.

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Oct 30, 2024 • 41min
Diving into the Black Manosphere
Nicole Young, a freelance writer known for her work on the Black Manosphere, explores the shifting loyalties of Black male voters. She discusses the emergence of a digital culture that caters to Black men, examining its frustrations with traditional political alignments. The conversation delves into how societal pressures and online communities influence these changing perspectives, raising questions about potential impacts on upcoming elections. Young also critiques the intersection of masculinity and political ideology within this complex landscape.
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