
Queering Internal Family Systems (IFS)
A new podcast by two Internal Family Systems (IFS) psychotherapists, Alessio Rizzo (he/they) and Jude Carn (she/they) uses the lenses of queering, neuroqueering, queerness and neurodiversity to make IFS more accessible to these marginalised identities and to support therapists in being better allies, supporters and advocates for their diverse clients.
Latest episodes

Jul 2, 2025 • 38min
Episode 11 - Queering IFS (Internal Family Systems) - Is the Self Neurodivergent?
Dive into a captivating discussion about the fascinating interplay between Internal Family Systems therapy and neurodivergence. The hosts explore how self-identity is shaped by cognitive differences and challenge neurotypical norms. They draw parallels between left-handedness and neurodiversity, uncovering the societal biases that persist. Perspectives on autism highlight diverse experiences while advocating for a more inclusive understanding of identity. This thought-provoking conversation invites listeners to embrace curiosity and question conventional paradigms.

Jun 18, 2025 • 51min
Episode 10 - Queering IFS - Keys to Neurodivergent Affirming Internal Family Systems Practice
In this episode, Jude Carn and Alessio Rizzo explore the keys to neurodivergent-affirming practices in IFS (Internal Family Systems) therapy, and psychotherapy and counselling more broadly, exploring how therapists can better accommodate clients’ diverse needs. Jude and Alessio share their experiences and offer practical advice on creating inclusive and supportive therapeutic spaces for neurodivergent individuals, emphasising adaptability and client-centred approaches. Key discussion points include sensory considerations, flexible scheduling, and the importance of open communication.Get in touch with us if this sparks interest in you, and please consider subscribing to help us get the word out there.DisclaimerThis podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.ContactsAlessio Rizzo (He/They) is a Certified IFS psychotherapist, IFS Trainer with the IFS Institute, and Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) - www.therapywithalessio.comJude Carn (She/They) is a Certified IFS psychotherapist and an Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) with the IFS Institute - www.anchoredinself.co.ukSound editing by Forbes Coleman

Jun 4, 2025 • 50min
Episode 9 - Queering IFS - Queering the Social Model of Disability in IFS (Internal Family Systems)
Ever wondered about the difference between the medical and social models of disability? 🤔 This episode dives deep! Join Jude, Alessio, and Isabelle, as they explore how society creates barriers, the impact of cultural backgrounds, and practical applications within IFS therapy.This is a fascinating conversation, uncovering the real-world challenges faced by those who are disabled in, and by society, and how to support their journeys.Social Model of Disability, IFS Therapy, Internal Family Systems, Disability, Medical Model, Neurodivergence, Therapy, Accessibility, Client Experiences00:00 Welcome and Introductions03:56 Diving into the Social Model of Disability06:43 Contrasting Models: Social vs. Medical10:03 Cultural Perspectives on Disability15:02 The Intersection of Medical and Social Models23:00 Access Fatigue and Self-Advocacy30:02 Finding Community Among Neurodivergent Folks31:03 The Impact of Support on Disability32:40 Navigating Neurotypical Expectations36:12 Privilege and Adaptation in Workspaces39:03 Invisible Burdens of Neurodivergence42:01 Breaking the Cycle of Internalized Expectations45:12 Reflections and Future ConversationsGet in touch with us if this sparks interest in you, and please consider subscribing to help us get the word out there.DisclaimerThis podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.ContactsIsabelle Vrod, LMSW (she/her) is the Director of OCD | Care Coordinator | Therapist - spectrumservicesnyc.comAlessio Rizzo (He/They) is a Certified IFS psychotherapist, IFS Trainer with the IFS institute, and Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) - www.therapywithalessio.comJude Carn (She/They) is a Certified IFS psychotherapist and an Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) with the IFS Institute - www.anchoredinself.co.ukSound editing by Forbes Coleman

May 21, 2025 • 31min
Episode 8 - Queering IFS- Queering Shame in IFS - Are We Missing Anything Out?
In this podcast, Alessio Rizzo and Jude Carn discuss the complex process of shame, which we all have experienced. Queering how we might understand and see this through and IFS lens. Many books have been written about shame, but, perhaps, there is something that we have missed out about the various layers of shame. Listen up to find out what it is!DisclaimerThis podcast is hosted by qualified IFS psychotherapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.Find out more about Alessio at www.therapywithalessio.comAnd Jude at www.anchoredinself.co.uk

May 14, 2025 • 46min
Episode 7 - Queering IFS - Exploring the Burden of the Gender Binary with Anna Thomas (They / Them)
In this podcast Jude (She / They) and Alessio (He / They) discuss with their guest Anna Thomas (They / Them) about the importance of bringing awareness to the impact of "gender binary" on all our lives.Anna Thomas and Alessio present some of the ideas that have inspired them to offer an online retreat called "IFS Gender Journeys", which is an affinity space for queer and queer-adjacent IFS trained professionals, who want to honour the disenfranchised grief associated with the discovery and acceptance of not being cisgender.To know more about IFS Gender Journeys and book, if places are available, please click https://www.therapywithalessio.com/ifs-gender-journeysContactsDr Anna Thomas Tijsseling can be contacted on https://authentiekepraktijken.nl/en/home-enAlessio is a Certified IFS psychotherapist, IFS Assistant Trainer (AT) with the IFS institute, and Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) - www.therapywithalessio.comJude is a Certified IFS psychotherapist and an Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) with the IFS Institute - www.anchoredinself.co.ukSound editing by Forbes ColemanDisclaimer This podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.

Apr 24, 2025 • 41min
Episode 6 - Queering IFS - Queering the Self in IFS (Part 2) - is the Self Queer?
In this episode Jude (She/They) and Alessio (He/They) continue their conversation on the Self, which is such a central concept in IFS Therapy. Jude and Alessio dive further into questions of Self or Self-Energy in IFS through a queering lens. They ask, is the Self queer? Where is queerness in the system? And where does the question of the qualities of Self even come from?As Alessio and Jude grapple with this question, they start to think in terms of neurology, parts, Self and physiology to understand where sexuality and gender “come from”, but they end up wondering why there is so much interest in knowing whether the Self is queer or not… is this a legacy burden after all?ContactsJude Carn - https://www.anchoredinself.co.uk/Alessio Rizzo - https://www.therapywithalessio.com/Disclaimer This podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.

Apr 10, 2025 • 50min
Episode 5 - Queering IFS - Queering Sexuality in Internal Family Systems (IFS) - The P of Passion
In this episode, Jude (she/they) and Alessio (he/they) with their guest speaker, Ali Bushell (he/him), talk about sexuality and reflect on how we speak about sexuality within the IFS and therapeutic communities.Ali Bushell, IFS Therapist, supervisor and author of the book "The Sex Party Handbook", shares with us his views and perspective on the impact of norms, and in particular heteronormativity, on the discourse about sex and sexuality. What lenses are we seeing sex through, and how does it impact our work with clients? Perhaps the "P of Passion" should be added to the qualities of Self.ContactsJude Carn - https://www.anchoredinself.co.uk/Alessio Rizzo - https://www.therapywithalessio.com/Ali Bushell - https://www.alibushell.com/Ali's book - https://www.alibushell.com/the-sex-party-handbookSound editing by Forbes ColemanDisclaimer This podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.

Mar 27, 2025 • 22min
Episode 4 - Queering IFS - Queering the Self in Internal Family Systems (IFS): Where to Begin (Part 1)
Join Alessio Rizzo and Jude Carn as they kick off a multi-part journey into Queering the Self in Internal Family Systems (IFS).In this episode, they unpack the challenges of defining Self and Self-Energy in IFS, wrestling with the limits of language and why clear definitions matter to some parts of us. They explore self-energy within parts, the Self as energy, and its role as the system’s anchor, leader, or central organiser.This is the first of a series of episodes in which exploring the intersection between the Self, queerness and neurodivergenceJude is an Approved Clinical Consultant and Psychotherapist and can be found at can be found at www.anchoredinself.co.ukAlessio is an Assistant Trainer with IFSI, an Approved Clinical Consultant and a Psychotherapist, and can be found at www.therapywithalessio.comDisclaimer This podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.

Mar 13, 2025 • 28min
Episode 3 - Queering IFS - IFS and Pronouns - Why They Matter Inside and Out!
Join Alessio and Jude this week as they talk about pronouns. Something they are both passionate about in supporting clients to have an inclusive and affirmative experience in their therapy. Not just the importance of checking out and using the client's pronouns, but also doing this with their parts. Jude (she/they) and Alessio (he/they) talk about their pronoun journeys, and that of their parts as well as their work with clients and consultees/supervisees. Alessio and Jude talk about the importance of asking, and not assuming gender or pronouns in a system, regardless of the client's gender and pronouns. Alessio is a Certified IFS psychotherapist, IFS Assistant Trainer (AT) with the IFS institute, and Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC). www.therapywithalessio.comJude is a Certified IFS psychotherapist and an Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) with the IFS Institute. www.anchoredinself.co.ukSound editing by Forbes Coleman Disclaimer This podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.

Feb 16, 2025 • 32min
Episode 2 - Queering IFS - Neurodiversity is not Parts!
Delve into the fascinating discussion around neurodiversity as a natural human trait rather than a deficit. The hosts distinguish between neurodiversity and neurodivergence, emphasizing their interconnectedness. Personal stories shed light on the challenges of navigating life without formal diagnoses. They advocate for reframing neurodivergence in therapy, treating it as integral to identity rather than a 'part' to be fixed. Inclusive language and an open mindset are essential for supporting neurodivergent individuals in therapeutic settings.