John Charles, leader of the Cascade Policy Institute, and Zilvinas Silenas, head of the Empire Center, share insights on fighting for conservative principles in liberal states. They discuss Oregon's transportation woes, highlighting the effects of mismanagement and restrictive land use. In New York, concerns about socialist governance arise, particularly regarding affordable living versus climate initiatives. They also critique government-run grocery stores and the challenges of establishing charter schools, advocating for educational reform and school choice as solutions.