Mark Glanville, a jazz musician and biblical scholar, teams up with Winston Menkler, a top Canadian double bass player, to explore the synergy between jazz and theology. They discuss how jazz informs church leadership and fosters collaboration, drawing insightful parallels between musical improvisation and community dynamics. Their conversation emphasizes the importance of balance between strength and receptivity in both art and leadership, while providing practical reflections on fostering inclusive, 'leaderful' communities rooted in biblical principles.