William Henagan and Robert Obayda, directors at the NSC, share their expertise on the intersection of industrial policy and national security. They discuss the strategic collaboration between Canada, Finland, and the U.S. on icebreakers, emphasizing their critical role in the Arctic. The conversation touches on why cranes are vital for national security and the significance of positive incentives in American industrial policy. They also explore the geopolitical implications of the global shipbuilding industry, highlighting the need for cooperative approaches to maintain competitive advantage.