William Henagan and Robert Obayda, directors at the National Security Council, dive into the Icebreaker Collaboration Effort among Canada, Finland, and the U.S. They discuss the vital role of icebreakers in national security and how cranes factor into industrial policy. The conversation also highlights Finland's surprising strength in NATO dynamics and the need for strategic sourcing away from China. The implications of industrial collaboration and future challenges in shipbuilding reveal the complexities of global alliances.