In this episode, Nick Gillespie interviews William D. Eggers, co-author of Bridgebuilders and executive director of Deloitte's Center for Government Insights. They discuss moving beyond the outdated vending machine model of government, the use of indirect tools in government interventions, successful examples like NASA's role in catalyzing the commercial space industry, the importance of bridge builders in navigating across sectors, lessons from the COVID-19 crisis, successful governance models, and the contrasting approaches of politicians in different states.