Pastor Will Rose joins in a fun conversation rejecting black and white thinking and embracing a both/and approach to spirituality. They discuss integrating science and faith, the intersection of science and religion, and the importance of imagination and interpretation in reading the Bible. A reflection on the divine lure and future plans concludes the episode.

Will Rose and Jeff Pugh dive deep into the fascinating intersection of faith, science, and science fiction. They tackle the clashes between American evangelical culture and intellectual discourse, as well as the relevancy of Augustine's views on religion and science. These discussions reveal how pop culture narratives can sometimes express profound truths more effectively than traditional texts. The duo humorously connects themes from 'Star Wars' and 'Black Panther' to illuminate the complexities of faith, encouraging imaginative storytelling and engaging community dialogue.

Will Rose, a mega nerd and Lutheran minister, dives into an exciting bash of theology and geek culture. He discusses his church's grant promoting healthy dialogues between religion and science. The conversation delves into why we often understand comics better than scripture and explores Will's creation of the "God Loves Geeks" book club. The second half passionately reviews the latest Star Wars films, highlighting how these narratives shape our spiritual lives. Will even shares anecdotes about officiating a cosplay wedding and the transformative power of storytelling.