In this engaging discussion, Dr. Ken Iverson, the creator of the revolutionary APL programming language and Turing Award winner, shares insights on his remarkable journey from IBM to Harvard. Alongside freelance journalist Whitney Smith, they explore the simplicity and power of APL, reflecting on how programming can enhance creativity. Topics cover the evolution of writing in the digital age, the significance of hands-on tech education, and the relationship between scientific thought and creativity, providing a thought-provoking perspective on technology's role in our lives.