Wayne Benner, co-transmitter of Terra II with Timothy Leary and author of 'Seven Shadows,' discusses the visionary Terra II project and its creative collaborations amidst incarceration. He reflects on Timothy Leary's influence on societal views of LSD and authority. Benner also addresses automation's impact on employment, advocating for innovative economic models and guaranteed income. The conversation veers into rethinking politics in a tech-driven world and highlights the importance of communication and collaboration in fostering transformative ideas.