Walter Stahel, the author of The Performance Economy and a leading expert on circular economy principles, joins to discuss pivotal topics. He emphasizes the impact of selling performance over products, which could transform industries and enhance job creation. The conversation touches on sustainable taxation, national security linked to resource efficiency, and the importance of policy reforms. Stahel introduces the 'lake economy' concept, highlighting local reuse versus global recycling and the potential for a labor-intensive circular economy to create new jobs.