Rick Perry, the 47th governor of Texas and former secretary of Energy, joins W. Bryan Hubbard, the first Chairman of the Kentucky Opioid Commission and a key advocate for Ibogaine research. They dive into the Kentucky Ibogaine Initiative to tackle the opioid crisis, discussing its potential benefits for veterans facing PTSD and addiction. The duo shares insights on the need for more clinical trials and legislative support for Ibogaine treatment. Their conversation highlights both personal experiences and the transformative power of plant medicine in mental health care.