Vivek Chilukuri, a technology and national security director at CNAS, is joined by his colleagues Bill Drexel and Tim Fist, both AI analysts. They dive into Biden's sweeping executive order aimed at AI safety, touching on the complexities of immigration and federal hiring for AI talent. The trio debates the risks of AI intertwined with biological data and the challenges of regulating open-source models. With humor and insight, they navigate the intricate landscape of AI governance, particularly contrasting U.S. and Chinese approaches.