Guest Ville Kavilo discusses Dallas Willard's perspective on 'heaven' as our human environment, making our universe a perfectly safe place to be. They also talk about starting spiritual formation groups, beer and personal experiences, differences between Roman Catholic and Evangelical Lutheran Church in Finland, finding peace in God's plan, practicing the presence of God, shaping the mind and trickery to believe in God's existence, different levels of experiencing God's presence, and expressing gratitude.