Viktoria Kahui, an environmental and ecological economist at the University of Otago, dives deep into the fascinating concepts of rights of nature and legal personhood for ecosystems. She discusses how these innovative legal frameworks are being trialed globally, especially in Ecuador, to combat biodiversity loss and promote Indigenous reconciliation. Kahui emphasizes the need for further research on their effectiveness and reflects on the balance between human health needs and ecological preservation, sparking a thought-provoking debate on our relationship with nature.