Maria Roche, a Harvard Business School professor specializing in innovation management, joins U.S. Air Force Major Victor Salsa-Lopez, who spearheaded AI initiatives in defense. They discuss the hurdles of driving innovation within bureaucracies and how the Department of Defense has surprisingly contributed to tech advancements since WWII. The conversation highlights the role of AI in optimizing military operations, the challenge of integrating new technologies in legacy organizations, and contrasting the innovation landscapes of government versus private sectors.