Joining the discussion is Vickie Paladino, NYC Councilwoman known for her sharp criticism of media narratives. The conversation contrasts the portrayals of Daniel Penny and Luigi Mangione, delving into public sentiments about self-defense and the complexities of justice. Paladino highlights media malpractice while critiquing societal hypocrisy regarding violence. The episode also humorously tackles the intersection of crime and mental health in NYC, emphasizing the systemic failures that affect vulnerable populations.