Travis LeBlanc, former member of the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board (PCLOB), and Greg Nojeim, Senior Counsel at the Center for Democracy & Technology, dive into the recent turmoil within the PCLOB after the dismissal of key members. They discuss the board's critical role in balancing national security and civil liberties, the lawsuit filed by terminated members, and challenges in overseeing data privacy. The conversation emphasizes the importance of maintaining the board's independence and the implications for U.S.-EU data protection agreements.