In this discussion, Tony Baker, former COO at New Saint Andrews College, shares troubling insights about mismanagement and abuse cover-ups within the institution. His wife, Kimberly Baker, adds valuable context from her experiences in their community. They explore the emotional toll of social exclusion, the hidden harms in community growth, and the importance of accountability in church leadership. The conversation delves into how strict religious norms led to manipulation and trauma, advocating for spiritual freedom and the need for open dialogue.