Tom Murphy, a Physics Professor at UC San Diego, and D.J. White, co-founder of Greenpeace International, dive deep into humanity's damaging disconnection from nature. They discuss alarming declines in biodiversity and the daunting reality of microplastic pollution. The conversation critiques the belief that renewable energy alone can save us, emphasizing the need for a paradigm shift in how we view our relationship with the planet. They also explore the inadequacies in education and the importance of empathy for future generations in fostering a more sustainable world.