Tom Hodkinson, founder of 'Idler' magazine promoting a slower, more wholesome way of life, discusses modern life, creativity, and idling. Topics include living an idle lifestyle, avoiding negative spirals and finding flow, honest conversation, cancel culture, the influence of Socrates on ancient philosophy, pushing boundaries in creativity and journalism, productivity and creativity as a twin father, misconceptions of 'Idler' magazine, and the impact of technology on creativity and work.