For decades we’ve been yanked around over alcohol: one day it’s actually good for us, the next day it’s a killer. And recently there’ve been reports that even a little bit of booze is bad for you overall. We first looked into this back in 2019, and since then the research has evolved faster than a nanobrewery’s tap list. So today we’re diving back into the science to find out: is just a bit of alcohol dangerous? We talk to epidemiologist and nutritionist Prof. Eric Rimm, psychologist Prof. Tim Stockwell, cancer researcher Dr. Susan Gapstur, and substance use disorder researcher Dr. Peter Butt.Find our transcript here: https://bit.ly/AlcoholCorkinItScienceVsTranscript In this episode, we cover: (00:00) The debate over alcohol(03:26) Why alcohol might be good for us(10:10) Why alcohol might be bad for us(16:30) Why are experts recommending even less alcohol now?(19:30) Alcohol and cancer risk(25:32) Our conclusion on alcoholCredits: This episode was produced by Meryl Horn with help from R.E. Natowicz, Wendy Zukerman as well as Disha Bhagat, Rose Rimler, Michelle Dang, Joel Werner, and Kaitlyn Sawrey. We’re edited by Blythe Terrell. Editing help from Caitlin Kenney. Gimlet’s managing director is Nicole Beemsterboer. Fact checking by Erica Akiko Howard, Michelle Harris and Michelle Dang. Mix and sound design by Catherine Anderson, Bobby Lord and Peter Leonard. Music by Peter Leonard, Bumi Hidaka, Emma Munger and Bobby Lord. A huge thanks to all the researchers we got in touch with for this episode including Dr. Arthur Klatsky, Dr. Krishna Aragam, Dr. William Kerr, Dr. Tim Niami, Professor William Ghali, Dr. Wendy Chen, Max Griswold and many others. Recording help from Andrew Stelzer, Susanna Capelouto, Katie Sage, and Joseph Fridman. Also thanks to Lynn Levy, the Zukerman Family and Joseph Lavelle Wilson. Science Vs is a Spotify Original Podcast and a Gimlet production. Follow Science Vs on Spotify, and if you wanna receive notifications every time we put out a new episode, tap the bell icon! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tim Stockwell, a scientist at the Canadian Institute for Substance Use Research, sheds light on the complex relationship between alcohol consumption and health. He challenges previous studies that suggested moderate drinking might promote longevity, revealing how flawed comparisons distorted these findings. Stockwell discusses the historical significance of alcohol and the risks associated with its consumption, particularly highlighting the need for clearer health warnings. This conversation navigates the changing cultural attitudes toward drinking and its potential dangers.

Tim Stockwell, a leading expert on alcohol research at the Canadian Institute for Substance Use Research, challenges the popular notion that moderate drinking is beneficial. He discusses the flawed methodologies behind studies suggesting health benefits, revealing biases that can distort perceptions. The conversation dives into the dual nature of alcohol—its history as a societal staple and its serious health risks. Stockwell aligns alcohol use with smoking in mortality concerns, urging a reevaluation of how we perceive alcohol's safety and risks.