Terry Johnson, Senior Minister at Independent Presbyterian Church, and Tim Shaw, Associate Minister, dive into the intricate relationship between church and state, especially amidst today's cultural chaos. They discuss Christian nationalism, its historical roots, and the decline of a shared moral foundation in society. The conversation explores the evolution of Protestant governance and its implications for family values, community integrity, and political engagement. They emphasize the importance of Christian hospitality and the role of Christians in fostering a just social order.