In a fascinating discussion, Tim Jackson, an evolutionary biologist, Karl Friston, a theoretical neuroscientist, and Chris Fields, a researcher in cognition, dive deep into the free energy principle. They explore how this principle applies to self-organization and evolutionary processes. Key topics include the role of generative models in understanding systems, the origins and significance of attractors, and the impact of noise on novelty in evolution. Each guest provides unique insights, grounding their ideas in physics while navigating philosophical implications.