In this engaging discussion, Tim Bushong, a pastor reflecting on homeschooling and ministry impacts, joins Andrew Rappaport, who explores virtue and fatherhood. They share poignant memories of Voddie Baucham, emphasizing his humble leadership and dedication to local church life. The conversation highlights the need for faithful successors, the virtue crisis in leadership, and the importance of nurturing young leaders amid cultural challenges. Together, they question whether recent leadership losses signal a divine call to reform and elevate spiritual authenticity.