Thomas Griffin, an author and educator specializing in St. Francis of Assisi, joins the conversation to explore the saint's radical approach to holiness. They discuss St. Francis's unique concept of giving all to Jesus and the transformative power of personal conversion. The dialogue touches on whether Generation Z is becoming more engaged in spirituality, especially in all-boys high school settings. Griffin's insights invite listeners to reflect on faith, commitment, and how to renew religious life in modern times.