Michael Barbaro, host of The Daily from The New York Times, leads a lively discussion on the rise of nationalism in Europe. Katrin Bennhold, the Berlin Bureau Chief, shares her insights on Brexit's impact on European identity. Theo Balcomb, the show's executive producer, provides a behind-the-scenes look at their podcast journey. They delve into the paradox of nationalism, exploring its historical roots and contrasting civic patriotism with ethnic nationalism. The conversation sheds light on the challenges liberal democracies face amidst this political shift.