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The Grugq
Operational security and intelligence commentator known for deep expertise in cyber operations and threat actor behavior, featured regularly as the co-conversationalist on Between Two Nerds.
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Dec 1, 2025
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Between Two Nerds: Beating back state espionage
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Tom Uren and The Grugq dive into the fascinating world of state cyber espionage. The Grugq, a savvy operational security commentator, discusses the impact of the recent Charming Kitten document leak and debates whether such disclosures can effectively deter espionage. They explore how leaks force adversaries like Iran to adapt swiftly and restructure their operations. The conversation also highlights the strategic implications of targeting high-value groups and how unique vulnerabilities within ecosystems can be exploited, making for a captivating discussion.
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