Terry Townshend, a cornerstone of China's birding community, joins the late Jeremy Goldkorn for a lively discussion. They explore the remarkable migration patterns of the Peking Swift, shedding light on its role in Beijing's ecosystem. The conversation delves into the impacts of urban development on swift habitats and innovative conservation efforts. They also discuss the intriguing dynamics of birdwatching culture in the city, along with the challenges of balancing ecological sustainability with rapid modernization.