Marina Otero Verzier, curator of The Holy See Pavilion, and Tatiana Bilbao, the principal architect behind it, join Søren Pihlmann, curator of Denmark's pavilion. They explore innovative architecture through themes of ecological sustainability and social repair. The conversation emphasizes the revival of craftsmanship, community engagement, and the importance of transparency in architectural processes. They also challenge conventional comfort in design, suggesting that friction can lead to richer interactions and a deeper appreciation for architectural history.