Tanya Lerman, a Stanford anthropology professor known for her work on evangelical experiences, alongside Nils Bubent, an anthropologist focusing on Indonesian witchcraft, explore the intriguing intersections of belief and conspiracy theories. They delve into the psychology behind why individuals embrace extreme beliefs, from QAnon to Christian ideologies. The conversation unpacks the transformative journeys of belief, the dynamics of micro-fascism, and how cultural narratives shape perceptions of reality — all underscored by the human desire for connection and understanding.