Angelos Varvarousis, a professor at the Autonomous University of Barcelona specializing in degrowth economics, and Takehiko Nagumo, director of the Smart City Institute Japan, engage in a stimulating discussion about reimagining urban prosperity. They explore how cities like Barcelona and Girona are piloting innovative economic concepts that prioritize well-being over GDP. The duo also highlights Japan's focus on creating well-being indicators for smart cities, challenging traditional growth metrics and emphasizing the importance of equitable urban development.