Suzanne Treister, an artist and researcher known for her Hexen tarot decks, dives into the intriguing intersections of cybernetics, conspiracy, and counterculture. She discusses how feedback loops from cybernetics influence both the Hexen 2.0 and upcoming Hexen 5.0 decks, merging art and science. The conversation explores tarot’s role in activism, the potential of the 'Interplanetary Internet', and critiques of technology's impact on society. Treister also highlights the historical roots of these themes, encouraging a collective reinterpretation of our modern challenges.