In this discussion, Steven Swarbrick and Jean-Thomas Tremblay, co-authors of 'Negative Life: The Cinema of Extinction,' delve into the intersections of cinema, philosophy, and ecocriticism. They challenge traditional ecological narratives, exploring themes of extinction and isolation in film, particularly through Freud's ideas of negation. The conversation highlights how queer theory and psychoanalysis reshape our understanding of environmental storytelling, using Paul Schrader's 'First Reformed' as a poignant example, and articulating a new vision of 'negative life' in cinema.