In a gripping discussion, Steve Stone, a former turbine maker and expert on Chinese hacking units, uncovers the alarming scale of cyberattacks from China. He highlights how victims often conceal breaches, limiting the government's response. The conversation dives into the New York Times' brave decision to reveal its own breach, prompting the Obama Administration to take action against Chinese military hackers. Stone explains the transformation of China's hacking strategies, evolving from clumsy attempts to precise operations, revealing the intricate web of espionage tactics.