Dr. Shoshana Ungerleider welcomes Steve Vargas, her father's primary care physician, and Steve Einstein, a hospice nurse with 30 years of experience, to discuss the profound emotional journey following a stage 4 pancreatic cancer diagnosis. They explore medical aid in dying, emphasizing the empowerment it offers terminally ill patients. The conversation navigates the complexities of grief, familial ties, and the importance of informed healthcare choices, shedding light on both the struggles and the hope found in such harrowing times.