Joining the discussion is Stephen Kinnock, the Care Minister, who outlines the government's strategic plan to tackle NHS backlogs. He highlights ambitious goals for reducing patient wait times and improving healthcare access. The conversation also touches on the political backlash Keir Starmer is facing from Elon Musk, focusing on accountability in child protection. Kinnock emphasizes the need for realistic timelines and cross-party efforts to achieve meaningful healthcare reforms amid the ongoing social care challenges.