Fred Moten, a notable scholar in Black studies and critical theory, joins Stefano Harney, a theorist in social thought, for an engaging dialogue. They explore homelessness and belonging, weaving in personal stories about community and nostalgia. The duo discusses the politics of 'the surround', emphasizing the protection of marginalized spaces. Delving into Indigenous and Afro-pessimist ideas, they challenge traditional notions of sovereignty and critique mainstream activism. Their reflections advocate for a more profound connection to land, community, and liberation.