Listener Joe Davidson recently tweeted: “I’d really be interested in an episode debating Kubernetes vs serverless functions for distributed systems. As someone working a lot with serverless to create large scale systems, for me the complexity in Kubernetes doesn’t seem worth it, especially when onboarding new people. But I’d like to see it from the other perspectives. I could be missing something.” So we invited Joe on the show alongside Abdel Sghiouar and Srdjan Petrovic to discuss! Join the discussionChangelog++ members save 3 minutes on this episode because they made the ads disappear. Join today!Sponsors:Fastly – Our bandwidth partner. Fastly powers fast, secure, and scalable digital experiences. Move beyond your content delivery network to their powerful edge cloud platform. Learn more at fastly.com Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps and databases close to your users. In minutes you can run your Ruby, Go, Node, Deno, Python, or Elixir app (and databases!) all over the world. No ops required. Learn more at fly.io/changelog and check out the speedrun in their docs. Typesense – Lightning fast, globally distributed Search-as-a-Service that runs in memory. You literally can’t get any faster! Changelog News – A podcast+newsletter combo that’s brief, entertaining & always on-point. Subscribe today. Featuring:Joe Davidson – GitHub, XAbdel Sghiouar – GitHub, LinkedIn, XSrdjan Petrovic – XNatalie Pistunovich – GitHub, XShow Notes: Cncf landscape Article: Shifting left is for suckers. Shift down instead Service Weaver Firebase Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized world CloudRun Knative Fargate Dapr Azure Container Apps Kelsey Hightower’s Tweet on k8s becoming an operating system for the cloud Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!