Author Soraya Chemaly challenges the notion of resilience, highlighting its complexities and societal implications. The conversation explores the impact of societal norms on masculinity and the need to redefine resilience beyond perseverance. Critiques on American culture's unwavering optimism and the importance of embracing interdependence for facing challenges are also discussed.

Guests Katy Balls, a political commentator, and James Crabtree, a former Gordon Brown advisor, delve into Labour’s nuanced stance on China, debating the balance of trade and diplomacy. Toby Young discusses how characterizing extreme misogyny as extremism might mislabel adolescent behavior, risking the alienation of young men. Meanwhile, Emily Rhodes shares how kickboxing has helped her channel anger into empowerment, and Soraya Chemaly explores the societal implications of women's anger in a patriarchal culture.

Soraya Chemaly challenges the notion of resilience, advocating for collective care over individual triumph. The discussion explores gender dynamics, trauma, societal expectations, and redefining strength and resilience. Embracing body changes, challenging stereotypes, and engaging men in conversations about women's experiences are also highlighted.