Sophie Petter, Paris bureau chief for The Economist, and Edward Carr, deputy editor, share their insights from a revealing meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron. Macron's bleak assessment of global challenges calls for urgent action, especially in light of geopolitical tensions and the Ukraine conflict. He advocates for European defense independence and the need for a united front against emerging threats. The duo also delves into Europe's technological and political landscape, highlighting the importance of R&D investment and collaboration amidst rising nationalism.