Sidney A. Shapiro, a law professor specializing in administrative law, and Joseph P. Tomain, Dean Emeritus with a focus on energy and regulatory policy, discuss how government has been key to America's development despite rising anti-government sentiments. They tackle the balance between individualism and communal interests throughout history, examining figures from Lincoln to Trump. The conversation critiqued market myths and emphasized the need for government intervention in economic fairness, while also reflecting on the complexities of globalization and shifting political ideologies.