In this conversation, Shodhin Geiman, a Sensei and Abbot at the Chicago Zen Center, shares deep insights from his books on Dharma and activism. He discusses the challenges of mixing Buddhism with activism and the importance of patience and forbearance in practice. Geiman emphasizes the need for a reflective approach rather than reactionary politics, relating personal growth to societal change. His critiques of the desire to 'fix' both the world and ourselves shed light on American Buddhism's complexities, urging a focused understanding of liberation.