Guests discuss the state of DevRel, job trends, AI engineering, and AGI arrival. They also talk about innovation from Cognition with Devin and mis-steps during launch. Topics include challenges in DevRel, secrets management, AI advancements, B2B integrations, controversies in AI tech, and future podcast growth.

Shawn “swyx” Wang discusses the state of DevRel, AI Engineering, AGI speculation, and the next innovation round of AI. Topics include DevRel's challenges, the importance of providing value, efficient secrets management, defining DevRel roles, successful AI engineering companies, generative AI, and the revolution in AI engineering with Devin.

Shawn 'swyx' Wang discusses the state of DevRel, the impact of AI Engineering, speculation on AGI, and the mis-steps during Cognition's launch. They explore the future of AI innovations and the rise and fall of job openings in the tech industry.