In this discussion, Shauli Rozen, co-founder and CEO of ARMO Security and an expert in Kubernetes security, dives into the fascinating world of cloud application detection and response (CADR). He highlights the challenges faced in runtime security and critiques traditional CSPM tools. The conversation also covers the 'Four C's' of cloud security—cloud, cluster, container, and code—and emphasizes the crucial role of runtime data using eBPF. Shauli's insights shed light on how Kubernetes is transforming DevOps and security collaboration.