Shannon Pettypiece

Holden Thorp, former chancellor of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, shares his alarming views on the Trump administration's impact on higher education. He discusses the challenges faced by universities under new policies. Shannon Pettypiece, NBC News' senior White House reporter, adds insights on President Trump's tariff threats against Apple and the EU, and their effects on markets. The conversation touches on crucial legal battles affecting international student enrollment, reflecting the intersection of education and political turbulence.