Seneca Scott, a labor leader and community organizer, debates urban safety alongside Michael Shellenberger, founder of Public News. They argue that criminal justice reforms have led to increased crime in cities like San Francisco. Kmele Foster, a commentator, and Lara Bazelon, a criminal justice professor, advocate for nuanced approaches to reform. Topics include the impact of decarceration, the relationship between policing and public safety, and the need to address root causes like homelessness and education in creating effective justice strategies.