In this discussion, Mohamed El-Erian warns that traders may be overly optimistic about Federal Reserve rate cuts. Victoria Fernandez emphasizes an economic slowdown without a recession on the horizon. Senator Ron Wyden highlights the issue of price gouging in economic plans pushed by Vice President Kamala Harris. The conversation navigates through the complexities of current market dynamics and the implications of proposed economic policies.

The Verge's Nilay Patel and Adi Robertson talk to Senator Ron Wyden, who co-authored Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.Wyden discusses the forced sale of TikTok to a US-based company, the bills out to reform Section 230, his new privacy bill preventing law enforcement from buying data on the open market, and how Trump's handling of recent FCC nominations is a "disaster." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices