Sasha Nauta, The Economist's public policy editor, discusses the deep-rooted systemic issues in elderly care that the pandemic has magnified. She advocates for community-based support models to reform nursing homes. John Fassman, the Washington correspondent, reflects on the legacy of civil rights icon John Lewis, emphasizing his role in the ongoing fight for racial justice. The conversation also touches on the evolution of economic data analysis in a post-pandemic world, highlighting the necessity of combining traditional metrics with real-time data for better insights.