In this enlightening conversation, Sarah Shaw, a lecturer at the University of Oxford and editor of Lance Cousins' influential work, dives into the world of Buddhist meditation. She reveals fascinating insights about the jhanas, emphasizing their role in achieving inner peace and mindfulness. Shaw passionately discusses the overlooked importance of joy in meditation, likening it to a crucial ingredient that enriches spiritual practice. Additionally, she explores the harmony between Samatha and Vipassana meditation, shedding light on their complementary benefits.