George Conway, a lawyer and vocal critic of Donald Trump, joins Sarah Matthews, a former Trump White House aide who resigned during the Capitol riot. They dive into the psychological traits of Trump, dissecting his narcissism and its implications for leadership. The discussion highlights the alarming indifference Trump showed towards his VP on January 6, drawing parallels to voter experiences. Conway and Matthews also touch on the importance of integrity and accountability in politics, sharing anecdotes that blend serious critique with moments of humor.